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Re: Mk1 Minter
So, with all the efforts over Easter weekend I spent an evening or two installing the remaining parts in the engine bay, connecting up all the electrical gubbins, etc.
The Scorpion stainless down-pipe came with the car and was brand spanker but...didn't fit properly! Not only were the holes in the flange misaligned with those on the turbo elbow but even when that was sorted (courtesy of a Dremel) the whole thing appeared to be over-bent, such that it touched the sub-frame on the way down and floor pan where it met the exhaust centre section. The only option was to heat and bend it so a quick session with the acetylene torch and a long bar one lunchtime at work and it was sorted
(all the below this weekend just gone)
Fitted:
It's still only a few mm from the sub-frame but it should be ok.
Remaining parts fitted in engine bay:
Then it was time to fill her with coolant...I poured in a litre, checked underneath, no leaks. Poured in another litre, still no leaks...poured in the rest (4 or 5 litres) but heard a dribbling sound from under the engine. I quickly jacked her up and scooted under there with a torch in hand to find two little streams of coolant squirting out of one of the metal coolant pipes on the turbo. Given that it was a refurbed to good-as-new turbo I was rather surprised! I guess I should've looked it over in more detail before I fitted it. Draining the coolant and whipping off the pipe in question revealed the culprits:
Looks like the original pipe was just shot-blasted/cleaned up but not looked at too closely by whoever refurbed the turbo.
Thankfully I still had the original turbo from this engine with the pipe and it's in pinhole free condition so a quick rub-down and POR-15 application later it was ready to fit:
Filled the coolant system again and no leaks
After this I ran the oil pump via an old cambelt around my cordless drill to check it built oil pressure...which it did very nicely so I put the new cambelt back on and cranked the engine on the key but with the fuel pump disconnected and the spark plugs removed. Again the oil pressure built up quick, knocking the warning light out on the dash almost instantly and showing 3 bar ish on the pressure gauge...however, walking back around the front of the car I saw some drips of oil from under the front bumper :(I knew I was taking a chance using a s/h oil cooler and indeed it's bitten me in the bum! Not the end of the world though, I've already sourced a 9-row universal oil cooler and will fit that instead with modified mountings and adapters to convert the connections from AN -10 to 1/2" BSP (given the cost of the pipes I had refreshed I really don't want to have to ditch them barely a fortnight later).
This left me with the fuel system to check & prime, so I bunged in a few litres of Shell's finest V-Power into the tank (felt good to be putting fuel in her for the first time ), disabled the starter motor and ran the fuel pump with the ignition key in the 'start' position...all seemed good until I heard a funny noise from under the bonnet. A quick check revealed a leak from the connection between the fuel rail and the FPR valve. Further investigation revealed that the pipe has cracked right near the bulbous ferrule so it's a goner. Unfortunately then I had to call it a day there without being able to attempt a fire-up, but I did finish off the weekend by fitting the front strut brace (which needed work with the Dremel to fit properly as the bolt hole pattern wasn't quite right).
So, I've sorted the coolant leak, the oil leak is in process but the fuel leak needs a replacement fuel rail so will take longer to sort...but I'm pleased I'm very close to completion and the engine builds good oil pressure. Nerve-wracking stuff getting an engine ready to go after being dormant for 15 years!
The Scorpion stainless down-pipe came with the car and was brand spanker but...didn't fit properly! Not only were the holes in the flange misaligned with those on the turbo elbow but even when that was sorted (courtesy of a Dremel) the whole thing appeared to be over-bent, such that it touched the sub-frame on the way down and floor pan where it met the exhaust centre section. The only option was to heat and bend it so a quick session with the acetylene torch and a long bar one lunchtime at work and it was sorted
(all the below this weekend just gone)
Fitted:
It's still only a few mm from the sub-frame but it should be ok.
Remaining parts fitted in engine bay:
Then it was time to fill her with coolant...I poured in a litre, checked underneath, no leaks. Poured in another litre, still no leaks...poured in the rest (4 or 5 litres) but heard a dribbling sound from under the engine. I quickly jacked her up and scooted under there with a torch in hand to find two little streams of coolant squirting out of one of the metal coolant pipes on the turbo. Given that it was a refurbed to good-as-new turbo I was rather surprised! I guess I should've looked it over in more detail before I fitted it. Draining the coolant and whipping off the pipe in question revealed the culprits:
Looks like the original pipe was just shot-blasted/cleaned up but not looked at too closely by whoever refurbed the turbo.
Thankfully I still had the original turbo from this engine with the pipe and it's in pinhole free condition so a quick rub-down and POR-15 application later it was ready to fit:
Filled the coolant system again and no leaks
After this I ran the oil pump via an old cambelt around my cordless drill to check it built oil pressure...which it did very nicely so I put the new cambelt back on and cranked the engine on the key but with the fuel pump disconnected and the spark plugs removed. Again the oil pressure built up quick, knocking the warning light out on the dash almost instantly and showing 3 bar ish on the pressure gauge...however, walking back around the front of the car I saw some drips of oil from under the front bumper :(I knew I was taking a chance using a s/h oil cooler and indeed it's bitten me in the bum! Not the end of the world though, I've already sourced a 9-row universal oil cooler and will fit that instead with modified mountings and adapters to convert the connections from AN -10 to 1/2" BSP (given the cost of the pipes I had refreshed I really don't want to have to ditch them barely a fortnight later).
This left me with the fuel system to check & prime, so I bunged in a few litres of Shell's finest V-Power into the tank (felt good to be putting fuel in her for the first time ), disabled the starter motor and ran the fuel pump with the ignition key in the 'start' position...all seemed good until I heard a funny noise from under the bonnet. A quick check revealed a leak from the connection between the fuel rail and the FPR valve. Further investigation revealed that the pipe has cracked right near the bulbous ferrule so it's a goner. Unfortunately then I had to call it a day there without being able to attempt a fire-up, but I did finish off the weekend by fitting the front strut brace (which needed work with the Dremel to fit properly as the bolt hole pattern wasn't quite right).
So, I've sorted the coolant leak, the oil leak is in process but the fuel leak needs a replacement fuel rail so will take longer to sort...but I'm pleased I'm very close to completion and the engine builds good oil pressure. Nerve-wracking stuff getting an engine ready to go after being dormant for 15 years!
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Re: Mk1 Minter
looks great in there mate shame to hear about the leaks after all your work but i suppose theres allways some sort of teething problems when things are fully restored
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Top work, Don't you just hate the teething problems.
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Mintys-turbo-mk1 wrote:Don't you just hate the teething problems.
Yep! It initially made me feel like I've done something wrong or perhaps not done it to a high enough standard but I now realise it's inevitable that there are problems likely to occur given how long it was all in bits?!
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jas_racing wrote:gtirx2 wrote:Are you certain that forge bov is plumbed in the correct way around though?
Possibly not! I'll double check it...
Confused.com about this - I've installed the Forge unit in the same orientation as the OE Bosch unit as far as I can tell from eper (admittedly on a mk2) yet looking at pictures of atmospheric aftermarket DV's installed on mk1's it would suggest I've got it the wrong way around?! The only hint I can get from Forge's website is installation instructions for fitting the same DV to an Audi TT and it says it can be installed in either orientation...I guess it doesn't matter on a recirculating DV as long as it's providing an air path between either side of the compressor wheel??
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***HOT OFF THE PRESS!!!***
She runs!!
She runs!!
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Awesome!!!!
Whats left on the 'to do' list?
Dunc
Whats left on the 'to do' list?
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sweet cant be much left for you to do now is there
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No, the end is in sight
Main items on the To-Do list now are:
1) Wheel refurb
2) Front seat re-cover
3) Sort roof lining
There are a number of minor things too though - setting the idle speed, making a proper bracket for the aftermarket oil cooler, setting the rear brake bias valve, the clutch biting point is too low, the starter motor (despite being new) only works intermittently, and there's an odd rattling noise from the gearbox when the engine's running...it stops when I press the clutch so it would suggest a clutch release bearing problem but that's brand spanker too?!
Main items on the To-Do list now are:
1) Wheel refurb
2) Front seat re-cover
3) Sort roof lining
There are a number of minor things too though - setting the idle speed, making a proper bracket for the aftermarket oil cooler, setting the rear brake bias valve, the clutch biting point is too low, the starter motor (despite being new) only works intermittently, and there's an odd rattling noise from the gearbox when the engine's running...it stops when I press the clutch so it would suggest a clutch release bearing problem but that's brand spanker too?!
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So, to expand on the "she runs!!" post above...on Saturday morning just gone I set about fixing the remaining oil & fuel leaks. Starting with fitting the new oil-cooler, complete with adapters to convert an -10 to 1/2" bsp;
Ready to fit:
No photos of it fitted as yet but all is now oil-tight
To fix the fuel leak I came up with a temporary work-around using a length of fuel hose and an M14 90 degree fitting to link between the FPR and fuel rail. Running the fuel pump to pressurise the rail showed no more leaks
And so THE time came, after 2 years and countless hours of work, to turn her over and see if she would fire/run. I took a few deep breaths, double checked everything I could think of, and started the camera rolling. (click to play)
First attempt:
Promising...
Second attempt:
"Happy" doesn't cover it! I was convinced there would be an electrical issue of some sort, either the AFM, ignition coil, one of the ECU's, that would prevent her from firing up but thankfully not. I laid awake until 3:20am on Friday night fretting about the first fire-up attempt that would follow the next day so the sense of relief when she started was immense
I left her running for 10 mins or so to check that the thermostat opened at the right point and the fan cut in (which they did) and took another video in the process:
Runs sweet
Ready to fit:
No photos of it fitted as yet but all is now oil-tight
To fix the fuel leak I came up with a temporary work-around using a length of fuel hose and an M14 90 degree fitting to link between the FPR and fuel rail. Running the fuel pump to pressurise the rail showed no more leaks
And so THE time came, after 2 years and countless hours of work, to turn her over and see if she would fire/run. I took a few deep breaths, double checked everything I could think of, and started the camera rolling. (click to play)
First attempt:
Promising...
Second attempt:
"Happy" doesn't cover it! I was convinced there would be an electrical issue of some sort, either the AFM, ignition coil, one of the ECU's, that would prevent her from firing up but thankfully not. I laid awake until 3:20am on Friday night fretting about the first fire-up attempt that would follow the next day so the sense of relief when she started was immense
I left her running for 10 mins or so to check that the thermostat opened at the right point and the fan cut in (which they did) and took another video in the process:
Runs sweet
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nice cant wait for the day mines ready to fire up
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Awesome! I too cant wait to fire mine up!
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WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN!!
Be ready for the 1/4 mile before you know it... see if you can catch me
Yes this is me & Jas back in the day...
Be ready for the 1/4 mile before you know it... see if you can catch me
Yes this is me & Jas back in the day...
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What times did you get Steve?
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Nooooo don't encourage him...it was unfortunately one of those rare days when the timing system at Santa Pod failed completely and no times were recorded...at all...none whatsoever...charliemk1 wrote:What times did you get Steve?
And in a completely unrelated way I must insist that this thread be kept strictly on-topic from here on in
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Good work, such a relief when a new engine starts, especially after assembling it yourself
Mines upto 400 miles now still on running in oil, at 500 miles i'll retorque the head, change to semi synthetic, up the boost from 0.7 bar
Charlie get the app called Qmilet, its got a gps 1/4 mile and 0-60 timer LOL, its fun! let us know ya times!
Mines upto 400 miles now still on running in oil, at 500 miles i'll retorque the head, change to semi synthetic, up the boost from 0.7 bar
Charlie get the app called Qmilet, its got a gps 1/4 mile and 0-60 timer LOL, its fun! let us know ya times!
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Out of curiosity how will you retorque the head?richvans wrote:Mines upto 400 miles now still on running in oil, at 500 miles i'll retorque the head, change to semi synthetic, up the boost from 0.7 bar
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I've got a few little things to change, a forge 1 bar actuator, so the manifold needs to come off. I've also got a small oil weep (the only leak) from the bottom of the cam box, so that needs to come off. So while its all off i'll just nip up the head bolts, they might not need anything but some people recommend it.
I've booked a trackday in July so need to get on with it! Pretty pleased with it so far, with the addition of a fast road piper cam and standard Hybrid turbo its got minimal lag.
I've booked a trackday in July so need to get on with it! Pretty pleased with it so far, with the addition of a fast road piper cam and standard Hybrid turbo its got minimal lag.
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this has come on so much since I was last on here. think you were fitting brake pipes the last time I looked.
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I still want to know how quick your car is Steve, as the only R5t's I have had the misfortune of driving are not in the same league as an Uno Turbo
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charliemk1 wrote:I still want to know how quick your car is Steve, as the only R5t's I have had the misfortune of driving are not in the same league as an Uno Turbo
LMAO... JAS is just going to LOOOOOVE this
So I've managed to have a dig round and find the ACTUAL timing slips from that day when Jas and I raced our cars at Pod... together with a picture of us lining up waiting for our run:
And one of the runs itself:
So on to the results..
It looks like my fastest time in my stock 5 was 15.074 on Oct 28th 2007 at Shakespere Raceway.
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Big Steve Raider wrote:
It looks like my fastest time in my stock 5 was 15.074 on Oct 28th 2007 at Shakespere Raceway.
*Ahem* "stock"??
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Couldn't have put it better myself!charliemk1 wrote:the only R5t's I have had the misfortune of driving are not in the same league as an Uno Turbo
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